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CatDV seems better than Final Cut Server

Just had a great demo of CatDV 8 which is a media management tool and much much more. After seeing Final Cut Server in action a few months ago, I can already tell this thing seems much much easier for the end user to use. The fact that it can be used in the field and tie directly back to the main server is incredible in and of itself.

Clients can view their proxy files over the internet directly off our server? Cool! No more window burn DVDs!!! Yay!

Due to our frantic production schedule I don't really have time to play with it right now, but over the holiday break, I intend to download that 14 day trial and really get in to testing all the details. But wow, I thought CatDV was just a simple, low end tool. It's anything but. Can't wait to really try this out, especially as we plan out our new facility and improving our data management.

http://www.squarebox.co.uk/

Posted by: walter biscardi on Nov 6, 2009 at 8:52:07 am Comments (9) catdv

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Cat DV 8 in action - Hands On!
by Dennis Kutchera on Nov 11, 2009
I have been using CAT DV since I found it at IBC. It steps all over Final Cut Server for tape and digital file management. It allows you to change field on multiple clips at once for example. It has scene detection that is 99.9% accurate without the need for stop/start metadata present. I can go on and on. You can set markers with the scene detection and this info is retained in FCP. It will also re-wrap Avid files so they play in RT in FCP.

If you are having difficulties with CAT DV crashing, here is what I found (and passed on to the developer). First, repair permissions after install. This is running on Java, and I found Java screwed up. After that, it seemed ok. But, I found that it would still crash after a period. This was happening on 2 installs with identical software and OS (MacPro and MacBook Pro) The problem turned out to be GridIron Flow. I turned it off and everything was stable and solid. Zero crashes when Flow is turned off. THAT is a big issue for me, but both companies are working towards a resolution.

What CatDV does not do that Final Cut Server does is manage projects in a workgroup scenario, nor does it script workflows through Compressor, etc. No check in and check out. It is strictly a powerful database for your digital assets; but the best I have found without going to enterprise systems. This can be a stand alone app or there is a server version for larger facilities.

I hope to see how this can integrate with Final Cut Server, but I am afraid that all the goodies that it retains whem moving a clip into Final Cut Pro will be gone in Final Cut Server. The key may be in XML and I am not up on XML enough to know (yet).

Walter, maybe you can get Ron's attention for me. I emailed him about starting a COW community for CAT DV, but received no reply. I am really keen to host it because this program has changed my whole view of Final Cut Pro. For me, it is the biggest missing link.

They also have a great capture program fo for very little money that works with DV (maybe others, but that is what I am working with) tapes. It guarantees sync (something I cannot say about FCO capture) and has a lot of options for automatic clip creation on the fly.

Let's get this thing on the COW. I've had nothing to do here since I lost interest in Avid.
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thx ron, i sent the log to squarebox!
by Jiggy Gaton on Nov 8, 2009
Well, i am not convinced it's a fault on this side, as everything, and i mean everything else works:) now watch it all disintegrate!

But seriously, my mpeg component comes from FCP (and not the Store), and FCS3 is at the latest level and working flawlessly.

But despite the blowups, CatDV is a very cool db for any FCP user it seems. Seriously considering it here..
MPEG crash
by Rolf Howarth on Nov 8, 2009
This looks like a problem in the Apple MPEG2 component, or with the particular files you're playing. Try downloading the latest version of the MPEG component from your Purchases page on the Apple store.
Can't get the demo to work really...
by Jiggy Gaton on Nov 7, 2009
Ur post inspired me to sort this mess out here. We recently went through an exercise and got our photo library sorted, now I want the boys to get the video and audio sorted. But the demo for CatDV Pro 8.0.4 seems to be having a problem here on all our machines, which seems to be related to the Snow Leopard / Quicktime .m2v problem...but dunno...


Process: CatDV [21694]
Path: /Applications/CatDV Pro 8.0.4/CatDV Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/CatDV
Identifier: uk.co.squarebox.CatDVPro
Version: 8.0.4 (8.0.4)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [215]

Date/Time: 2009-11-08 09:27:50.363 +0545
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.1 (10B504)
Report Version: 6

Interval Since Last Report: 142082 sec
Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 2858 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 3
Anonymous UUID: 1025A44E-16AD-4A82-9D3E-B85B436C2086

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x000000005e1e81d1
Crashed Thread: 34

Thread 34 Crashed:
0 ...le.QuickTimeMPEG2.component 0x5d436580 Add2AndDifference_W8 + 29
1 ...le.QuickTimeMPEG2.component 0x5d435506 ReconstructBTypeBlock + 407
2 ...le.QuickTimeMPEG2.component 0x5d42f4fe ReallyDecodeThePicture + 4437
3 ...le.QuickTimeMPEG2.component 0x5d425e58 VideoThreadEntry + 1813
4 ...le.QuickTimeMPEG2.component 0x5d408646 MacThreadFunc + 136
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x920d7f39 _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x920d7dbe thread_start + 34

Thread 34 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x000010e0 ebx: 0x5d42e3ba ecx: 0x00000005 edx: 0x5e1e81d0
edi: 0x00000000 esi: 0x00000000 ebp: 0xb22d8c98 esp: 0xb22d8c84
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010206 eip: 0x5d436580 cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0x5e1e81d1
thanks Peter!
by walter biscardi on Nov 7, 2009
I had a great demo by the U.S. rep, Matt (I'll have to look at his card for the last name). Great guy and really showed me a lot.

I'm sure I'll need a refresher by the time I get to installing the software so thanks Peter!
Screen Share walkthrough
by Peter Wiggins on Nov 7, 2009
Walter,

Let me know if you want to do a screen share with the SquareBox guys to get you started.


Peter
So true about economy and expansion...dumb
by Jiggy Gaton on Nov 7, 2009
So true about economy and expansion...dumb joke from someone who lives in a country that has none:) We don't even take note really of the world economy, except when the value of the dollar drops, making the worthless rupee even more so.
Down economy an opportunity for us
by walter biscardi on Nov 7, 2009
I'm taking advantage of the current economic climate to purchase a building that's probably twice anything I could afford a few years ago. In fact we're upgrading and expanding everything at this time.

I don't use the economy as any sort of an issue when planning and growing my business. While everyone else is cutting back on spending, we're moving ahead with very ambitious plans so when the economy starts to come back, we'll already be ahead of most of our competitors.

And I'll be posting a full report when we install CatDV over the holidays. Very powerful stuff and I think it's pretty much a no brainer we'll be investing in that software after we play with it some.
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Thanks for heads up!
by Jiggy Gaton on Nov 6, 2009
We have been using iDive for media management of video for sometime now, and that's really bad. I looked at CatDV7 once but opted for iDive - u get what u pay for! Final Cut Server has been on the list...but u know...the economy. Post more details once you install.
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Professional Video Editor, Producer, Director since 1990.

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Owner / Operator of Biscardi Creative Media, a full service video and film production company with about 65% of our work in HDTV. The show you know us best for is "Good Eats" on the Food Network. I developed the HD Post workflow and we also create all the animations for the series.

Favorite pastime is cooking with pizza on the grill one of my specialties. Each Christmas Eve we serve the Feast of the Seven Fishes, a traditional Italian seafood meal with approx. 30 items on the menu.

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