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OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.

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I was under contractual restrictions from posting any additional commentary until my Macworld review was released.

http://www.macworld.com/article/160713/2011/06/fcpxrev.html

I am sure that the slings and arrows of outrage will be flying, my commentary will stay here on the cow.

Now on to finish the the next part of my cow article

http://library.creativecow.net/adcock_gary/FCPX/1

gary

Posted by: gary adcock on Jun 24, 2011 at 12:23:34 pmComments (19) FCPX, Final Cut Pro
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Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Bill Kelly
I thought it was a good review going over both the good things that FCPX will bring to the table while balancing out the equation with the features that aren't there that professional editors need.

I'd like to suggest a topic for a follow-up article that could help give a little bit more clarity as to where X stands in the grand scheme of things.

Basically it could be comparison between iMovie '11, FCPX, and FCP7. In other words, what features does FCPX have that iMovie '11 doesn't? After listing those features, is it worth $300 to have all those features that X provides that iMovie '11 doesn't? Then do a similar comparison between FCPX and FCP7 and their features.

For example, the 'ol Ken Burns effect is present in both iMovie '11 and FCPX so it wouldn't make the list. Neither would People Finder. Background rendering would go in the FCPX column, and so forth.

Just a thought.

Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Daniel Frome
A well written (in the literary sense) article. As an industry professional I disagree with your over all opinion of the software but will not get personal about it ;) Good job.
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Scott Sheriff
Gary,
I read this review and while it was well written, I found it a bit Pollyannaish. Also I was wondering how you came to this conclusion in the list of Pros:
"App Store delivery allows faster bug fixes and feature upgrades"

Most of the pros seemed like you were stretching for something to put in there, but the app store thing makes me really scratch my head. How is selling in the AS allow faster bug fixes? In the past if they wanted to fix a bug, they could do it, and when you clicked the update button, bam there it was. It wasn't like they had to mail me a disc. I don't think ease of delivery (or lack thereof) was the cause of foot-dragging on updates by apple.

Scott Sheriff
Director
http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
You should be suitably impressed...

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ---Red Adair
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by gary adcock
[Scott Sheriff] "I read this review and while it was well written, I found it a bit Pollyannaish. "

That would be editorally out of my hands, it was for a more mainstream media source than here on the Cow. I am more visceral here,

"How is selling in the AS allow faster bug fixes? "

historically apps update faster via the online store-look at how many updates are done for the phone or the ipad? It means for faster delivery and less piracy of the app.

at $299 in the App Store, Apple is making about the same on it as as a download as it did selling the FCS BOX.

Its new download is greener, using less fuel to make deliver and print, but the real benefit is because of the newer hardware restricitons there are less variables to hardware that they now have to support so that creation and testing time is reduced dramatically

gary adcock
Studio37

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http://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Aindreas Gallagher
that doesn't really answer the question as to why we are to suppose that the presence of the appstore as opposed to software update entails a more rapid response?

http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by gary adcock
[Aindreas Gallagher] "that doesn't really answer the question as to why we are to suppose that the presence of the appstore as opposed to software update entails a more rapid response?
"



as I said

the real benefit is because of the newer hardware restricitons -there are less variables to hardware that they now have to support so that creation and testing time is reduced dramatically

the App store will be confirm that the software has been installed legally

gary adcock
Studio37

Post and Production Workflow Consultant
Production and Post Stereographer
Chicago, IL

http://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Aindreas Gallagher
wait - so because they killed backwards compatability, and designed software that turns my three year old edit laptop into a paperweight in FCPX terms - this is a good thing?

http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by gary adcock
[Aindreas Gallagher] "wait - so because they killed backwards compatability, and designed software that turns my three year old edit laptop into a paperweight in FCPX terms - this is a good thing"



Check the attitiude, flaming me about your issue does nothing but piss me off.

You do NOT have to use it, you do not have to like it.

gary adcock
Studio37

Post and Production Workflow Consultant
Production and Post Stereographer
Chicago, IL

http://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Aindreas Gallagher
nah absolutely fair enough - spot on, apologies for that.
I am looking mournfully at my laptop tho..

To diverge for a second - in terms of software reactiveness - do you think FCP7 with its more computationally economical visual scheme - ala the google chrome argument - is more appropriate for a professional editing system? I've only used FCPX on a mates recent work tower - its grand there.. how much is the chrome impacting on system responsiveness on older-ish hardware? total random question that was in the head..

http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by james carey
[gary adcock] "[Aindreas Gallagher] "wait - so because they killed backwards compatability, and designed software that turns my three year old edit laptop into a paperweight in FCPX terms - this is a good thing"



Check the attitiude, flaming me about your issue does nothing but piss me off. "


A bit touchy, understandable maybe, but Gary i don't think Aindreas was flaming you as much as airing our frustration. I for one just noticed that FCPX is not compatible with the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT in my TWO pros. So this is a flame, but not at you, stand aside and let it hit Apple please.

Jim Carey
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Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by gary adcock
[james carey] "A bit touchy, understandable maybe, "


Touchy is being screamed at from the moment this hit, just because you are the messenger

Touchy is 35k emails that killed my mail server.

Touchy is everyone taking it out on you verbally, but forgets that i make a living working just like everyone else does. with hard work

I don't sell hardware so do not yell at me about something I have no control over.


Would you rather have someone that doesn't know this stuff talking about it?

gary adcock
Studio37

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http://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Gary Huff
[gary adcock] Touchy is being screamed at from the moment this hit, just because you are the messenger.


I haven't seen anyone post in all-caps yet. Sarcasm /= screaming.
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by gary adcock
[Gary Huff] "I haven't seen anyone post in all-caps yet. Sarcasm /= screaming.
"


Then you are not seeing all the posts I am.

That this is about the 30th time TODAY that some has made some snarky comments to me or in a reply to somehitng I have written. That is 1/10 of what I got on Tuesday. After both the Cow and Macworld articles posted I had literaly a screaming phone call and more than one all caps emalls.


I am sharing my knowledge and this is my blog page here, go bitch in one of the forums.

gary adcock
Studio37

Post and Production Workflow Consultant
Production and Post Stereographer
Chicago, IL

http://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by J Hussar
Gary, I'm sorry you are taking any heat. But it's a hell of a story! This really is the crossroads of IOS vs OS battle. Appliance vs Computer.

It is a strange thing watching a product group (or perhaps a product manager) willing to kamikaze so much good will to push a vision - and in my opinion, a very flawed one. The firestorm raging now shows a serious mistake in thinking on Apple's thought. I don't think they thought people would be this angry. And that flaw in thinking is pervasive in this whole product rollout. The FCP product group is showing that much of their strategy is flawed - maybe they should stop and assess the damage they've done - and maybe fix it while there is time. I don't think they had any ideas it would be this bad.

Again, sorry you are bearing the brunt! I hope you forward the emails to the guilty parties so they can feel the 'love' from the hornets nest they stirred up!

Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Aindreas Gallagher
[gary adcock] "I am sharing my knowledge and this is my blog page here, go bitch in one of the forums."

sure bud - you're posting on the FCPX forum, its not the blog. I do not envy what you're having to deal with but the software is bollocks gary, its pure and utter bollocks.

FCPX is a horribly misaligned gambit for cash. the sooner we choose to effectively articulate the degree of the error and mind shafting lunacy of apple's play the better, sure please help because you could help an awful lot.

ok -reality is only reality if we decide to say it is. FCPX is not, and will not grow to be fit for the purpose of editing, it is a ludicrous tortured comingling of professional and amateur, I know and love amateur and professional software - I love 3DSMAX, I have built (half decent) liquid steel running past a hosted metacreations poser object in MAX3.5 as a shot to sell the only ever first Matrix film running on my station for a broadcast campaign this was *Some Time Ago*
3DSmax is forbidding and rewarding.

and so I alone also rather love itunes. It's bulky, but it is a servant. And In the middle I love 'things', both on the iphone and desktop. It's elegant and smart.

The issue here is that apple see fit to designate complexity as a failing and this is problematic - this software is basically awful.
I really, really, really, really mean it. Clip selection is bizarre. I have a yellow bounding box and the viewer. The story line stuff is indescribable - cast your mind back to sanity - when i drop a clip down in years heretofore -does it grow a tendril and attach itself to the clip below because they are story cousins? why in the hell is that happening? Why are my video items developing vertical relationships like this without my say so? What in the name of jesus is going on?

They featured FCPX last night in London like it was the second coming. There is no way in hell, when I introduce new material, that i want it, by virtue of gravity bonded to the clip below, not to mention the uncontrollability of the basic timeline itself, the inability to a genuine space, - It is all, awful, awful, awful -

look - here is the last of my rantings pertaining to the death of spaces in an edit -

http://t.co/eIRcjkQ

its a bit all over the place but hopefully the gist is there. Apple have basically shat on the craft of editing.

Gary. They have. Say do, or do nothing, but they inveigled an awful lot of people into the tent, and this is a malformed cash grab.

http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
+1
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Gary Huff
[gary adcock]That this is about the 30th time TODAY that some has made some snarky comments to me or in a reply to somehitng I have written. That is 1/10 of what I got on Tuesday. After both the Cow and Macworld articles posted I had literaly a screaming phone call and more than one all caps emalls.

Well, whoever would call you up and scream has issues (if they were really screaming of course, and you're not exaggerating). Snarky comments do not equate to screaming, so it would be nice to leave the hyperbole behind...there's more than enough of it already.

I am sharing my knowledge and this is my blog page here, go bitch in one of the forums.

As has been pointed out to you already, we ARE in one of the forums.
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Phil Hoppes
The claim is made that it can coexist along side with FCP7. I would argue it cannot. The posts have already been made that Apple recommends that you re-partition your drive so that you have a FCP7 Mac and a FCPX Mac. Assuming one has the space on their drive to do that you are now faced with another immediate conflict. Who out there is ONLY running FCP7 on their Mac? I would assume that number to be around zero. So now who running FCP7 is also running something (Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash...) from Adobe or another software vendor that authenticates your install. Hmmm... I'm guessing over 90%. So now you are telling me to run FCPX I need to get another seat of all the apps I own that require authentication but if on my other systems I've maxed out all my allowed authentications, I get to spend a few $1000 more just so I can "run them at the same time?"

Oh and since I can't import into FCPX a FCP7 project and I can't run them side by side, if I'm trying to match up or recreate a project in X that was in 7 what am I suppose to do other than take 57 screen shots?

Foolishness.
Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by gary adcock
[Gary Huff] "As has been pointed out to you already, we ARE in one of the forums.
"


Actually it's both,

The original post in this thread is my actual Blog posting, not something I added. The forum picks it directly when it is linked so shows up in both places.

So you guys see it as a forum post, I see all the comments as mail via the blog, hense my confusion.

gary adcock
Studio37

Post and Production Workflow Consultant
Production and Post Stereographer
Chicago, IL

http://blogs.creativecow.net/24640

Re: Blog: OK, time to jump back into the fray my Macworld review is online.
by Greg Burke
I agree, it is a great program......for a consumer who doesn't know anything about Video Editing.

and Don;t call it Final Cut Pro..It has nothing to do with Final Cut its just a named they slapped on to get people like us to buy it.
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