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TV Logic LCD Display - CRT Replacement? Could be!

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So we've had a lot of discussions on the Final Cut Pro and Apple Color forums about what can we use to replace the current Broadcast CRT monitors that are EOL? I've not been overly impressed with the current crop of LCD monitors out there. My favorite to date, the Panasonic 1700W and 2600W are both good, but cannot completey replace my Sony CRT Broadcast monitor.

Well yesterday I got a demo of the new TV Logic 24" LCD Broadcast display and I have to say, WOW! I think we have a real contender for CRT replacement at a price that won't completely break the bank. Yes, it's expensive, but it's about 1/3 the price of what I've been seeing touted as a "True CRT Replacement" from other companies. Here's my intial thoughts on the monitor as I reported in the Apple Color forum yesterday. http://forums.creativecow.net/viewforum/223#2

Left to Right: Sony PVM20L5/1, TV Logic 24" with 64% ND Filter, Panasonic 1700W. Note the Sony is closest to the camera so it appears to be the largest display, but the TV Logic actually is.

Ok, first impression. WOW! They brought in two 24" models, one with a 32% ND filter and one with no filter. I didn't realize you could get an ND filter and it actually does make a difference in the image. Excellent demonstration by the TV Logic representative who spent the first 45 minutes really showing us all the various features and settings using a lot of test patterns and motion tests so we could really see what the LCD can and cannot do. First off, all the controls you would expect with a professional CRT monitor and a few more. Dual SDI (HD/SD) inputs are standard with loop through, Analog Component, S-Video and Composite are supported. Even 16 channels embedded audio are supported via SDI. Dual Link SDI is an option that is simply unlocked via a password input. Ok, HD looked spectacular as it should since it's a 1080 native display. Colors were within 1% to my Sony CRT. The Sony was a touch more red, but the TV Logic display can be fully tweaked, we left it at the factory calibrated settings. I liked the 1:1 option for 720p material. When playing 720p you can have the display up-scale the image to fill the 1080 screen or simply play it back in 1:1 scaling which is a nice option. Ok, here's what really impressed me. Standard Def playback. They have a 2:1 scaling option that presents high quality standard def playback. Full screen resolution fell apart a bit like I would expect with an LCD scaling SD footage up, but in the 2:1 scaling mode, it was extremely clean. With SD, the colors were spot on to my Sony CRT. The monitor can be set into an 'interlace' mode that accurately replicates what I see on the CRT both in HD and SD. You can turn this off by using a "Fast" mode but I actually preferred seeing this on. I played back an SD project I finished two weeks ago and could accurately see some of the interlacing issues a Map graphic was showing on the Sony CRT. We tried the unit out for about 2 and a half hours and I'm just really really impressed with it. I have to say, this really is a potential CRT replacement monitor. I would color grade on it and actually will get a chance to do that shortly. I'm going to get another one of these units in a few weeks with a 62% ND filter as I found the 32% filter a little too dark for my work. The rep said the 64% filter more replicates the brightness of my Sony CRT. The unit without the filter was just too bright. So in a few weeks I will get one with the correct filter and we'll have it fully calibrated to replicate my Sony. Then I'll write a full review on it. But WOW! Thanks to Christian Betong bringing these monitors to my attention! List US Price is approx. $8,000.

Left to Right: Sony PVM20L5/1, TV Logic 24" with 64% ND Filter, Panasonic 1700W. Note the Sony is closest to the camera so it appears to be the largest display, but the TV Logic actually is.


Posted by: walter biscardi on Jan 1, 2008 at 3:54:21 amComments (5) monitors, lcd
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2009 Update
by walter biscardi
Just an update to this blog since it's from a while ago. I finally saved up enough this year and was ready to purchase two of these TV Logic 24" models but changed my mind after seeing the brand new Flanders Scientific (FSI) models last month. They're the bright yellow banners you see advertising around the Cow.

Next week we're taking delivery of our 1760W model and the week after we're getting 2 of the 2450W's. Absolutely these are color accurate monitors that will replace our Sony CRT's.

The TV Logics are still very good, just the FSI's are $5,000 and $2,500 list price so they're a significant savings so I'm essentially getting three monitors for less than the cost of 2 TV Logics. Here's my more recent blog entry on the FSI's.

http://blogs.creativecow.net/blog/810/low-cost-color-accurate-lcds-becoming...
LCD Display
by Mark Moore

Hi Walter,

If you were impressed with the TV Logic, you might want to have a look at Tamuz.tv. These are the best broadcast LCD monitors I have seen (I have TV Logic, Marshall and Tamuz in the lab for HD upconverter and compression gear testing) These are around the same price, if not a bit cheaper, and are the only LCD monitor that can do pixel by pixel calibration.     

its the interlacing problem
by adam taylor
its the interlacing problem that has been one of the main reasons i have avoided LCDs so far. That and the fact i still haven't seen one with really smooth motion.  

Having read your blog, Walter, i am now more reassured that the manufacturers are coming up with the goods that professionals need to assess material critically. 

I really have been dreading the day when I switch to HD because it will mean getting a new screen and until i read your review, i was resolutely digging my heels in. I can start to relax a little now!

thanks Walter.

ps - any more All Things Apple in the Pipeline?
we have a grading heavy HD
by walter biscardi

we have a grading heavy HD feature coming through soon .. do we really need to get a US$8000 monitor if our viewers have US$1000 tvs...?

What the viewer has does not concern me.  What DOES concern me is what network Quality Control has and what they say.  They are using $30,000 Sony broadcast monitors so my work has to look correct for them.  The networks have said our work is some of the best they have seen to date so I know how I have my monitors calibrated is good.

I use the Blue Only gun to calibrate my monitors using color bars right now.  The TV Logic have auto calibration and incredibly light probes to assist in manual setup as well.

I'm not a fan of using any sort of computer monitor for color grading or editing, especially for interlaced material.  TV Logic is the first LCD display I've seen to accurately display interlaced material so I can see right away if I have any issues to be aware of. 

 

Walter Biscardi, Jr. http://www.biscardicreative.com

calibrating this monitor will be the death of me!!!
by Michael Duff

G'day Walter ... thanks for the interesting blog .. which conveniently comes at a time when I am tearing my hair out a) trying to calibrate the monitors we've got and b) deciding what monitors we should be using ...

...after working in front of a number of different broadcast monitors for the past 5-6 years I still don't really understand if what I'm looking at is accurate ... i'll try not to turn this blog into a Q&A forum, but.... if you could put in your two cents I may still have some hair left come the end of my monitor worries ...

so... we have edit suites with plasma screens ... mostly for editing and presenting to clients.

our design suites range from having a sony CRT ...which doesn't get used all that much now I guess with the thought that CRT is 'so 2002'... another suite has an HD apple cinema display... and my fulltime monitor is a Sony LCD LMD-2020 (SDI)... i've tried endlessly to get this monitor looking 'correct'... done all the calibration procedures I can find but still I always end up with a too warm image ... the apple cinema display is not as warm but still doesn't match the plasmas. (and I feel does a terrible SD upscale)

so what should we be going off??? the majority of our work ends up on consumer plasma/LCD tv.. for some reason I feel the LMD-2020 should be the most accurate monitor.. should we get a professional tech in to calibrate it?

we have a grading heavy HD feature coming through soon .. do we really need to get a US$8000 monitor if our viewers have US$1000 tvs...?

please put my mind at ease ... i will forever be indebted to you...

-Michael

 



Professional Video Editor, Producer, Director since 1990.

Credits include multiple Emmys, Tellys, Aurora and CableAce Awards.

Owner / Operator of Biscardi Creative Media, a full service video and film production company with about 65% of our work in HDTV. The show you know us best for is "Good Eats" on the Food Network. I developed the HD Post workflow and we also create all the animations for the series.

Favorite pastime is cooking with pizza on the grill one of my specialties. Each Christmas Eve we serve the Feast of the Seven Fishes, a traditional Italian seafood meal with approx. 30 items on the menu.

If I wasn't in video production I would either own a restaurant or a movie theater.

 


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