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Open TImeline ? (sure)




I would guess the new open timeline means open timeline.  Perhaps what would be more important is whether the drives have the speed to keep up with the data rates and compression of the various formats.  

I am curious to know what "under the hood power" Apple actually put into the software to allow it to do this.  It seems a bit cagey to me.  It must be putting a lot of work on the CPU processor to actually do the math on all of these formats at once.

What will the sequence settings reveal when I hit command zero and look at my sequence settings.  WIll it say, "this is an open timeline, everything you put in here is 10 bit uncompressed" or will it be limited to Prorez?  I'd love a little bit more light on this from anyone who has seen it in action down in Sin City.  

Perhaps the CPU processing has gotten powerful enough to do what daughtercard processing used to do, but I am sure there will be a "letdown factor" when the software is on my machine.  Like unlimited RT,  was a bit of a letdown (or maybe a more than oversold feature), I suspect that open timeline might be less exciting when the lights of Vegas dim as the Apple vans pull away from NAB.

 

I hope it is for real but I am a bit skeptical.

 

David


Posted by: David Battistella on Apr 19, 2007 at 9:14:32 pm Comments (3)

Comments:
Don't forget, Tim, even Cinéwave had it YEARS ago...
by Ron Lindeboom on Apr 21, 2007

Hey Tim,

I believe it was late 2002 when Pinnacle Cinéwave had an "open" timeline into which you could pour just about any format and edit them together sanely and easily.

The only system that HASN'T Had it is FCP itself. (Although it is odd that Cinéwave had it years ago but FCP wasn't what handled the hooks. It was Pinnacle software digging down into the firmware.)

Best,

Ron Lindeboom


My bet: it works
by Tim Wilson on Apr 20, 2007

Here's why I think it's going to work just fine: it's been working in Pinnacle Liquid since 2005, Premiere Pro since 2006, not sure when Vegas added it, but it's there, etc.

The feature is much older in Avid, although the name Open Timeline to describe it goes back to 2005. So, Apple's version of the feature is actually called "Open format Timeline."

I'm just saying.

Here are some caveats:

Aspect ratio conversion isn't automatic for anyone. Some apps make it far easier than others to deal with -- tools for pan and scan, etc. -- but you'll need to steer your way through this one as needed.

In a mixed format timeline, there's a single "native" state, and the "mixed" footage will have to be upscaled/downscaled as needed, and all of these will have impacts on performance. (It still works, but the specifics will dictate where performance stands on the Unlimited RT Disappointment scale.)

Note too that there are limits to everyone's implementation of the feature, which may or may not have impact on the way you work. Do any mix NTSC and PAL in the same timeline? I don't remember, and am too lazy to look it up. Some folks won't let progressive and interlaced footage mix. There are multiple approaches to audio sample rates -- some let you mix and some don't.

The degree of difficulty goes way up when you throw multicam into the mix, of course. But I was showing RT mixed format multicam on a G4 laptop in 2005, so I know it can work.

Which is why I'm certain that Apple's Open format Timeline will work. But it won't work miracles. Only expect it to do what it will says it will do.

In any case, it's a very, very cool feature, and does indeed look magical. You'll get used to it fast. :-)

I saw open timeline in action
by Paul Escandon on Apr 19, 2007

Very valid concerns... I don't think we'll have all the full answers until a little bit more time has passed and/or the software is in everyones hands with multiple configurations..

I asked one of the Apple guys in the Canon booth upstairs in the South Hall at NAB to give me an open timeline test - and it worked pretty flawlessly. If I can recall from the demo, there was a mix of HD and SD footage, some uncompressed and come compressed... worked in real time like it is billed. I asked to show the system prefs and it was a dual 3.0ghz XEON Mac Pro - can't remember anything else from the specs...so not the new top of the line 8-x machines they were using in the demos... 

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